Comments on: Congestion Pricing: $8 per day http://queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/ We're here, We're queer, and We're not going Shopping without Coupons Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:42:20 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Queercents » Blog Archive » Queercents Weekly Roundup: Takes the Metro http://queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/comment-page-1/#comment-110059 Queercents » Blog Archive » Queercents Weekly Roundup: Takes the Metro Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:14:05 +0000 http://www.queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/#comment-110059 [...] Rehash: Congestion Pricing: $8 Per Day: Mayor Bloomberg also thinks public transit is the best thing [...]<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-110059">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> [...] Rehash: Congestion Pricing: $8 Per Day: Mayor Bloomberg also thinks public transit is the best thing [...]

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]]> By: Queercents » Blog Archive » Ten Money Questions for Melissa Plaut http://queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/comment-page-1/#comment-79775 Queercents » Blog Archive » Ten Money Questions for Melissa Plaut Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:30:09 +0000 http://www.queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/#comment-79775 [...] Do you think the proposed congestion pricing will have any impact on cabbies? It will help the cab business, for sure. I’d love to see an [...]<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-79775">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> [...] Do you think the proposed congestion pricing will have any impact on cabbies? It will help the cab business, for sure. I’d love to see an [...]

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]]> By: Nina http://queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/comment-page-1/#comment-55388 Nina Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:13:14 +0000 http://www.queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/#comment-55388 In this week's <a href="http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2007/07/carnival-of-insanities_29.html">Carnival of the Insanities</a>.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-55388">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> In this week’s Carnival of the Insanities.

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]]> By: plonkee http://queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/comment-page-1/#comment-54909 plonkee Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:39:27 +0000 http://www.queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/#comment-54909 I'd argue that the costs of car travel are not sufficiently obvious to the driver. In the case of London, one of the reasons why it is relatively popular is the excellent level of public transport provided. There is no excuse for driving in the city centre. How many people need to drive in Manhattan anyway? What congestion pricing means to my money, is that I need to use my car less and the bus/train/metro more.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-54909">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I’d argue that the costs of car travel are not sufficiently obvious to the driver.

In the case of London, one of the reasons why it is relatively popular is the excellent level of public transport provided. There is no excuse for driving in the city centre. How many people need to drive in Manhattan anyway?

What congestion pricing means to my money, is that I need to use my car less and the bus/train/metro more.

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]]> By: tc http://queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/comment-page-1/#comment-54728 tc Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:32:12 +0000 http://www.queercents.com/2007/07/25/congestion-pricing-8-per-day/#comment-54728 I think Glendower nailed it: a congestion charge is basically a regressive tax, like a sales tax. It's levied against anyone and everyone regardless of ability to pay. It's not as if driving in Manhattan is free. It costs money to park, unless one is willing to drive in circles hoping for a street spot--and that time is money. And, as Hizzoner pointed out, there are tolls to get on the island. If people really are winding their way through city neighborhoods to avoid those tolls, one can assume they're already pinched. We can believe that those who can afford the $8/day are NOT those snaking through the back streets to avoid a bridge toll. If the city wants to encourage more people to take transit, it should improve transit. Period. It should stop expecting those who are unfortunate enough to work in Manhattan to have to continue to pay out the wazoo for the "privilege."<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-54728">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I think Glendower nailed it: a congestion charge is basically a regressive tax, like a sales tax. It’s levied against anyone and everyone regardless of ability to pay.

It’s not as if driving in Manhattan is free. It costs money to park, unless one is willing to drive in circles hoping for a street spot–and that time is money. And, as Hizzoner pointed out, there are tolls to get on the island. If people really are winding their way through city neighborhoods to avoid those tolls, one can assume they’re already pinched. We can believe that those who can afford the $8/day are NOT those snaking through the back streets to avoid a bridge toll.

If the city wants to encourage more people to take transit, it should improve transit. Period. It should stop expecting those who are unfortunate enough to work in Manhattan to have to continue to pay out the wazoo for the “privilege.”

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