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		<title>By: Queercents &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Your Debt Plan: Three Steps to Tackling Your Debt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Queercents &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Your Debt Plan: Three Steps to Tackling Your Debt</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] by putting money in savings rather than starting paying your debt right away, but I agree with QueerCents, Get Rich Slowly, The Simple Dollar, and others that an emergency fund is the way to go. It&#8217;s [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-196945&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Queercents &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Queercents Weekly Roundup: Now with Oxycontin!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Queercents &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Queercents Weekly Roundup: Now with Oxycontin!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rehash: Unexpected Expenses Typically $2000 Annually: Like, say, getting the giant molars with which our ancient ancestors gnawed on woolly mammoths [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-97639&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: plonkee</title>
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		<dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, it sounds they aren&#039;t unexpected as much as &#039;I should have realised that would break&#039; expenses.

My emergency fund has about £3500 in it, I also save up for irregular bills (inc Xmas, vacations and so on) so that they don&#039;t come out of there, and I save 1% of my house value annually to pay for repairs and so on to that.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-64385&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, it sounds they aren&#8217;t unexpected as much as &#8216;I should have realised that would break&#8217; expenses.</p>
<p>My emergency fund has about £3500 in it, I also save up for irregular bills (inc Xmas, vacations and so on) so that they don&#8217;t come out of there, and I save 1% of my house value annually to pay for repairs and so on to that.
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		<title>By: The Simple Dollar &#187; The Simple Dollar Morning Roundup: Frugal Haircut Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Simple Dollar &#187; The Simple Dollar Morning Roundup: Frugal Haircut Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Unexpected Expenses Typically Reach $2,000 Annually And guess where the average American puts that expense? Straight onto plastic, which quite often makes the problem worse. I want to shout from the rooftops, &#8220;Get an emergency fund, people! Whatever you have to do, get one!&#8221; (@ queercents) [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-64212&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: The Digerati Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Digerati Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now, we have a year&#039;s worth of living expenses in our emergency fund.  We&#039;re playing it conservatively because of the current investment climate, but a portion of what&#039;s in these funds will probably be invested in the market via dollar cost averaging in the next several months.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-64156&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now, we have a year&#8217;s worth of living expenses in our emergency fund.  We&#8217;re playing it conservatively because of the current investment climate, but a portion of what&#8217;s in these funds will probably be invested in the market via dollar cost averaging in the next several months.
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I currently deposit $100 per pay cheque into my emergency fund. After my last bout of unemployment about 5 years ago, I started up the emergency fund just in case. I&#039;m glad I did, as I&#039;ve used it to pay for a new windshield in my truck after mine cracked, and also used some while I was off this summer too. It&#039;s a good practice to have an emergency fund, as you just never know.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-64083&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently deposit $100 per pay cheque into my emergency fund. After my last bout of unemployment about 5 years ago, I started up the emergency fund just in case. I&#8217;m glad I did, as I&#8217;ve used it to pay for a new windshield in my truck after mine cracked, and also used some while I was off this summer too. It&#8217;s a good practice to have an emergency fund, as you just never know.
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started over 20 years ago with a budget of $100/month of spending money which had to include surprise expenditures.  Once I got my first full-time permanent job, I could separate out some of my money for emergencies.  And now, after many years of working with and modifying my system, I have the following savings categories:

Car upkeep (gas, insurance, maintenance, repairs, steering wheel cover, defensive driving class) - $150/month

Next car - $50/month (I pay cash for 10-year-old reliable cars and so far have kept them for ten years, but now that I&#039;m on my third car, I do have some extra saved in case I buy a lemon and have to buy another car right away)

House maintenance (roof replacement, air conditioning replacement, paint, appliance replacement, etc.) - $133/month (I started at $100 and have increased it with inflation each year at raise time; before I got the house, I had a larger future house buying category)

Long term fun (travel, furniture, electronics, and any other purchase too pricy to pay for from my monthly budget) - ~$200/month I think

Medical (new category, now that I&#039;m making myself get check-ups and whatnot: check-ups, medicine, future hospital bills; and I&#039;ve just now decided to add vitamins to this category and changing the name of it to Health) - $100/month (this should be higher, especially as I get older, but it&#039;s a good start for now)

Home renovation (another new category: new laundry room, screened-in porch, space for a dishwasher) - $100/month (oh, I wish this was higher; I may transfer some of my long-term fun money into this fund)

I&#039;m also thinking of starting another category for lending to family members and subsidizing impoverished family members on once-in-a-lifetime family opportunities (so far: family trips).  So far I have been doing this out of my monthly budget.

If I had a normal job, I&#039;d also want a category for getting laid off, but I work for the state, so that is a highly unlikely risk for me.  Although I&#039;m starting to think it might be nice to have some money in case I ever wanted to quit without having another job lined up.

I recently had to increase my car maintenance savings to deal with reality (when a category goes negative for a whole year, that might be a sign that you&#039;re doing something wrong!).

I keep track of this money in a spreadsheet.  As you can see, you can let some categories go negative for a while so long as the total is positive.  It&#039;s like an electronic envelope system in that way.

Most of the actual money is in a high-interest internet savings account; some is in stocks.  Oh, and my employer has one of those plans where you can set aside some money for medical expenses before taxes each month, but you have to spend it or lose it by the end of the year--some of my medical money goes there.

At the end of each month, I gleefully look at money I spent which could come out of all these categories and subtract them from the totals before adding the monthly amounts from my monthly paycheck.  Then I subtract the sum of these category totals from my total savings (and stocks) to see how much extra I have with which to fantasize about super early retirement.  (Right now, that figure is around zero.  Oh well.)

I would say most of the expenses I&#039;m saving for are not unexpected, it&#039;s just that you don&#039;t pay for them every month or you don&#039;t know when you&#039;ll be spending the money.  Like I know I have to pay for car insurance every six months--if I save ahead of time, I&#039;ll have enough to pay the whole amount up front, thus saving the installment plan fees.  And I know that I will eventually have to replace my water heater, car, etc, I just don&#039;t know when.  It&#039;s not a surprise that things (and people) break down, it&#039;s just a surprise that they&#039;re breaking down now.

My favorite example of when I used one of these funds was when I was driving for a long weekend trip four hours away and my car broke down one hour into the trip.  Fortunately, it was in a city, and I had no trouble finding someone to fix it--after Labor Day!  In the olden days I would have called a friend and begged them to drive for an hour to come pick me up, then begged another friend to drive me back there to pick up my car.  And I would have had to scrap my trip.  But since I had this fund, I just rented a car, took my trip anyway, drove it home afterwards to go to work, and drove it back to the repair place when the car was ready.  I felt so rich!

It&#039;s also nice to get a cash discount when buying insanely expensive things like a new central air conditioner and to never have to pay interest (except for my house).&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-64044&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started over 20 years ago with a budget of $100/month of spending money which had to include surprise expenditures.  Once I got my first full-time permanent job, I could separate out some of my money for emergencies.  And now, after many years of working with and modifying my system, I have the following savings categories:</p>
<p>Car upkeep (gas, insurance, maintenance, repairs, steering wheel cover, defensive driving class) &#8211; $150/month</p>
<p>Next car &#8211; $50/month (I pay cash for 10-year-old reliable cars and so far have kept them for ten years, but now that I&#8217;m on my third car, I do have some extra saved in case I buy a lemon and have to buy another car right away)</p>
<p>House maintenance (roof replacement, air conditioning replacement, paint, appliance replacement, etc.) &#8211; $133/month (I started at $100 and have increased it with inflation each year at raise time; before I got the house, I had a larger future house buying category)</p>
<p>Long term fun (travel, furniture, electronics, and any other purchase too pricy to pay for from my monthly budget) &#8211; ~$200/month I think</p>
<p>Medical (new category, now that I&#8217;m making myself get check-ups and whatnot: check-ups, medicine, future hospital bills; and I&#8217;ve just now decided to add vitamins to this category and changing the name of it to Health) &#8211; $100/month (this should be higher, especially as I get older, but it&#8217;s a good start for now)</p>
<p>Home renovation (another new category: new laundry room, screened-in porch, space for a dishwasher) &#8211; $100/month (oh, I wish this was higher; I may transfer some of my long-term fun money into this fund)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also thinking of starting another category for lending to family members and subsidizing impoverished family members on once-in-a-lifetime family opportunities (so far: family trips).  So far I have been doing this out of my monthly budget.</p>
<p>If I had a normal job, I&#8217;d also want a category for getting laid off, but I work for the state, so that is a highly unlikely risk for me.  Although I&#8217;m starting to think it might be nice to have some money in case I ever wanted to quit without having another job lined up.</p>
<p>I recently had to increase my car maintenance savings to deal with reality (when a category goes negative for a whole year, that might be a sign that you&#8217;re doing something wrong!).</p>
<p>I keep track of this money in a spreadsheet.  As you can see, you can let some categories go negative for a while so long as the total is positive.  It&#8217;s like an electronic envelope system in that way.</p>
<p>Most of the actual money is in a high-interest internet savings account; some is in stocks.  Oh, and my employer has one of those plans where you can set aside some money for medical expenses before taxes each month, but you have to spend it or lose it by the end of the year&#8211;some of my medical money goes there.</p>
<p>At the end of each month, I gleefully look at money I spent which could come out of all these categories and subtract them from the totals before adding the monthly amounts from my monthly paycheck.  Then I subtract the sum of these category totals from my total savings (and stocks) to see how much extra I have with which to fantasize about super early retirement.  (Right now, that figure is around zero.  Oh well.)</p>
<p>I would say most of the expenses I&#8217;m saving for are not unexpected, it&#8217;s just that you don&#8217;t pay for them every month or you don&#8217;t know when you&#8217;ll be spending the money.  Like I know I have to pay for car insurance every six months&#8211;if I save ahead of time, I&#8217;ll have enough to pay the whole amount up front, thus saving the installment plan fees.  And I know that I will eventually have to replace my water heater, car, etc, I just don&#8217;t know when.  It&#8217;s not a surprise that things (and people) break down, it&#8217;s just a surprise that they&#8217;re breaking down now.</p>
<p>My favorite example of when I used one of these funds was when I was driving for a long weekend trip four hours away and my car broke down one hour into the trip.  Fortunately, it was in a city, and I had no trouble finding someone to fix it&#8211;after Labor Day!  In the olden days I would have called a friend and begged them to drive for an hour to come pick me up, then begged another friend to drive me back there to pick up my car.  And I would have had to scrap my trip.  But since I had this fund, I just rented a car, took my trip anyway, drove it home afterwards to go to work, and drove it back to the repair place when the car was ready.  I felt so rich!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also nice to get a cash discount when buying insanely expensive things like a new central air conditioner and to never have to pay interest (except for my house).
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a savings account with ING Direct and deposit $50 weekly from my checking account.  I just recently moved and used some of this savings for my moving fund.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-64030&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a savings account with ING Direct and deposit $50 weekly from my checking account.  I just recently moved and used some of this savings for my moving fund.
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