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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WIlliams Institute has also been one of the voices reminding us how many same-sex parents are, as Bronson&#039;s says &quot;non-intentional,&quot; i.e., had kids in opposite-sex relationships before they came out. (See my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mombian.com/2007/06/10/weekend-reading-on-kids-raised-by-gay-parents/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;earlier post&lt;/a&gt; citing an article about this.)

While the pay gap between women and men is certainly part of the explanation, I find it interesting that, as I said in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mombian.com/2007/10/08/same-sex-parents-money-marketing-and-influence/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my post&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;women in same-sex couples (parents and not) earn &#039;significantly more&#039; on average than married women.&quot; This means we can&#039;t just take the average U.S. pay gap and apply it to same-sex couples. There&#039;s clearly room for much further research on the subject of LGBT families and incomes . . . I&#039;m looking forward to it.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-71703&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WIlliams Institute has also been one of the voices reminding us how many same-sex parents are, as Bronson&#8217;s says &#8220;non-intentional,&#8221; i.e., had kids in opposite-sex relationships before they came out. (See my <a href="http://www.mombian.com/2007/06/10/weekend-reading-on-kids-raised-by-gay-parents/" rel="nofollow">earlier post</a> citing an article about this.)</p>
<p>While the pay gap between women and men is certainly part of the explanation, I find it interesting that, as I said in <a href="http://www.mombian.com/2007/10/08/same-sex-parents-money-marketing-and-influence/" rel="nofollow">my post</a>, &#8220;women in same-sex couples (parents and not) earn &#8217;significantly more&#8217; on average than married women.&#8221; This means we can&#8217;t just take the average U.S. pay gap and apply it to same-sex couples. There&#8217;s clearly room for much further research on the subject of LGBT families and incomes . . . I&#8217;m looking forward to it.
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		<title>By: Family Equality Council Blog &#187; same-sex parents earn less than married counterparts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Family Equality Council Blog &#187; same-sex parents earn less than married counterparts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Nina Smith of Queercents for allowing us to cross-post this great piece that debunks the myth that LGBTQ parents (especially gay dads) are richer than [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-71690&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Nina Smith of Queercents for allowing us to cross-post this great piece that debunks the myth that LGBTQ parents (especially gay dads) are richer than [...]
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs. Micah: I&#039;m pretty certain benefits aren&#039;t factored in here but you make a good point - it would indicate an even wider gap since many companies still do not offer domestic partner benefits.

AJ: Another interesting point but no, they don&#039;t break it out by race. There have been studies based on race and same sex couples - see this one from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thetaskforce.org/press/releases/pr885_110105&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Gay and Lesbian Task Force&lt;/a&gt; as an example.

Bill: Yep, all makes sense. Anya Kamenetz at Yahoo! Personal Finance just wrote a column about &lt;a href=&quot;http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/generationdebt/48402&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;women making less than men&lt;/a&gt;. It was amazing how many of the Yahoos (and I suspect male) try to dispute this statistic. Also, Paula wrote an interesting post here awhile back on the subject: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.queercents.com/2007/01/09/how-025-leaves-lesbian-households-millions-short/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How $0.25 Leaves Lesbian Households Millions Short&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-71676&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Micah: I&#8217;m pretty certain benefits aren&#8217;t factored in here but you make a good point &#8211; it would indicate an even wider gap since many companies still do not offer domestic partner benefits.</p>
<p>AJ: Another interesting point but no, they don&#8217;t break it out by race. There have been studies based on race and same sex couples &#8211; see this one from the <a href="http://thetaskforce.org/press/releases/pr885_110105" rel="nofollow">National Gay and Lesbian Task Force</a> as an example.</p>
<p>Bill: Yep, all makes sense. Anya Kamenetz at Yahoo! Personal Finance just wrote a column about <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/generationdebt/48402" rel="nofollow">women making less than men</a>. It was amazing how many of the Yahoos (and I suspect male) try to dispute this statistic. Also, Paula wrote an interesting post here awhile back on the subject: <a href="http://www.queercents.com/2007/01/09/how-025-leaves-lesbian-households-millions-short/" rel="nofollow">How $0.25 Leaves Lesbian Households Millions Short</a>.
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an easy answer here that is being overlooked:

1. More same-sex female couples raise children than same-sex male couples.
2. Women make less than men.

For point #1, I can&#039;t find statistics for the US, but I did find some for Canada. According to the 2001 census data from Canada, &quot;About 15% of the 15,200 female same-sex couples are living with children, compared to only 3% of male same-sex couples.&quot; That&#039;s a huge difference. That means 83% of all same-sex couples with children are female.

The same UCLA studies you cited above already support point #2, along with about a zillion other studies.

Also, consider some other statistics from the study. For instance, the data from Illinois says:

&quot;The median income of same-sex couple households in Illinois is $65,200, which is similar to the $63,400 median for married couples. The average household income of same-sex couples is $85,364, which is not statistically significantly different from $80,209 for married couples.&quot;

The data for Michigan and Rhode Island shows the same thing. So we know that overall, same-sex couples actually are making about the same amount as straight couples. The disparity only happens when you narrow it down to same-sex couples with children, which, based on the Canada statistics, are far more likely to be women than men.

So I think this study is just telling us something we already knew. Women make less than men, and are less likely to own houses. I&#039;m kind of surprised the people behind the study didn&#039;t break it down by sex to make the conclusions more meaningful, but I guess that would have made it less interesting.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-71600&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an easy answer here that is being overlooked:</p>
<p>1. More same-sex female couples raise children than same-sex male couples.<br />
2. Women make less than men.</p>
<p>For point #1, I can&#8217;t find statistics for the US, but I did find some for Canada. According to the 2001 census data from Canada, &#8220;About 15% of the 15,200 female same-sex couples are living with children, compared to only 3% of male same-sex couples.&#8221; That&#8217;s a huge difference. That means 83% of all same-sex couples with children are female.</p>
<p>The same UCLA studies you cited above already support point #2, along with about a zillion other studies.</p>
<p>Also, consider some other statistics from the study. For instance, the data from Illinois says:</p>
<p>&#8220;The median income of same-sex couple households in Illinois is $65,200, which is similar to the $63,400 median for married couples. The average household income of same-sex couples is $85,364, which is not statistically significantly different from $80,209 for married couples.&#8221;</p>
<p>The data for Michigan and Rhode Island shows the same thing. So we know that overall, same-sex couples actually are making about the same amount as straight couples. The disparity only happens when you narrow it down to same-sex couples with children, which, based on the Canada statistics, are far more likely to be women than men.</p>
<p>So I think this study is just telling us something we already knew. Women make less than men, and are less likely to own houses. I&#8217;m kind of surprised the people behind the study didn&#8217;t break it down by sex to make the conclusions more meaningful, but I guess that would have made it less interesting.
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you happen to know the statistics broken down by race? I wonder if certain races are &#039;penalized&#039; more economically for being gay than others.

Also, I assume that out gay couples are more likely to live in and near cities, and  property values tend to be  higher in cities. If this is the case, then lower home ownership rates for gay couples aren&#039;t necessarily a sign of being worse off.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-71583&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you happen to know the statistics broken down by race? I wonder if certain races are &#8216;penalized&#8217; more economically for being gay than others.</p>
<p>Also, I assume that out gay couples are more likely to live in and near cities, and  property values tend to be  higher in cities. If this is the case, then lower home ownership rates for gay couples aren&#8217;t necessarily a sign of being worse off.
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		<title>By: Mrs. Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just throwing it out there--are they including benefits as well? Because a number of companies don&#039;t offer spousal benefits for gay couples. And, since they&#039;re out, has it limited their job possibilities due to subtle discrimination? Or maybe one partner works less to make sure they&#039;re good parents, since they may be feeling defensive and want to be sure they do a good job.

I find it particularly interesting since some people seem to believe that only rich people or upper-middle class people are glbtq.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-71531&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just throwing it out there&#8211;are they including benefits as well? Because a number of companies don&#8217;t offer spousal benefits for gay couples. And, since they&#8217;re out, has it limited their job possibilities due to subtle discrimination? Or maybe one partner works less to make sure they&#8217;re good parents, since they may be feeling defensive and want to be sure they do a good job.</p>
<p>I find it particularly interesting since some people seem to believe that only rich people or upper-middle class people are glbtq.
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