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		<title>By: Queercents &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Remember Layaway?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] somewhat an indicator of what has got us to where we are in this shaky and erratic economy full of bailouts, mergers, and takeovers. On the consumer side, we are maxed out. Somehow we got into this mess because we got away from the [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-164679&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Queercents &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Remember Layaway?</title>
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		<description>[...] somewhat an indicator of what has got us to where we are in this shaky and erratic economy full of bailouts, mergers, and takeovers. On the consumer side, we are maxed out. Somehow we got into this mess because we got away from the [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-164680&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the stock market plummeting that has me nervous.  It&#039;s the general lack of responsibility.  Bankers knew these loans were bad, but made them anyway and then sold them off as parts of bundles that seemed safe to those who were buying them.  The people making the bad loans are not getting punished.  The people buying the bad loans were not acting with proper information either because it wasn&#039;t available or because they ignored it hoping it would be okay.

The people heading these investment firms that are going bankrupt are not being fired and hoping for some unemployment insurance like the rest of us would be, but are getting to escape, right when the going gets tough, with departure bonuses large enough for several people like me to retire on.

It seems the whole issue of responsibility is breaking down in our society, which makes it likely that more and more craziness like this will happen.  (I&#039;m guessing, for example, that both main candidates are still talking about tax cuts, in spite of us using that money and more for bailouts.)

Also, I think gas is actually getting scarcer and thus will continue to go up in price leading to an inflation that&#039;s not just cyclical.

I guess it&#039;s the usual problem with downturns.  It&#039;s hard to know whether this downturn (in stocks, jobs, interest rates) is just cyclical, or whether things are changing for the worse long-term?  (Examples from the past that seemed scary at the time: the Great Depression, WWII, the savings-and-loan mess, 9/11.  Examples that may or may not have seemed scary at the time: the fall of the Roman Empire, the disappearance of the cliff-dwellers and many other Native American groups, and the disappearance of entire species.)

What I&#039;m doing is pretending it&#039;s cyclical, wishing I could scrape up more money to buy stocks cheaply.  But I&#039;m also fearing that it&#039;s not cyclical, trying to think of more ways to diversify.  (Having stocks AND bonds doesn&#039;t seem very diverse to me, no matter how many types of companies I have stocks in.)&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-160649&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the stock market plummeting that has me nervous.  It&#8217;s the general lack of responsibility.  Bankers knew these loans were bad, but made them anyway and then sold them off as parts of bundles that seemed safe to those who were buying them.  The people making the bad loans are not getting punished.  The people buying the bad loans were not acting with proper information either because it wasn&#8217;t available or because they ignored it hoping it would be okay.</p>
<p>The people heading these investment firms that are going bankrupt are not being fired and hoping for some unemployment insurance like the rest of us would be, but are getting to escape, right when the going gets tough, with departure bonuses large enough for several people like me to retire on.</p>
<p>It seems the whole issue of responsibility is breaking down in our society, which makes it likely that more and more craziness like this will happen.  (I&#8217;m guessing, for example, that both main candidates are still talking about tax cuts, in spite of us using that money and more for bailouts.)</p>
<p>Also, I think gas is actually getting scarcer and thus will continue to go up in price leading to an inflation that&#8217;s not just cyclical.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s the usual problem with downturns.  It&#8217;s hard to know whether this downturn (in stocks, jobs, interest rates) is just cyclical, or whether things are changing for the worse long-term?  (Examples from the past that seemed scary at the time: the Great Depression, WWII, the savings-and-loan mess, 9/11.  Examples that may or may not have seemed scary at the time: the fall of the Roman Empire, the disappearance of the cliff-dwellers and many other Native American groups, and the disappearance of entire species.)</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m doing is pretending it&#8217;s cyclical, wishing I could scrape up more money to buy stocks cheaply.  But I&#8217;m also fearing that it&#8217;s not cyclical, trying to think of more ways to diversify.  (Having stocks AND bonds doesn&#8217;t seem very diverse to me, no matter how many types of companies I have stocks in.)
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		<title>By: Bankruptcy, Takeovers, and Bailouts - Oh My! &#124; Caveat Emptor</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Takeovers, and Bailouts - Oh My! Posted by Sam Glover on September 18, 2008 &#124; Permalink Bankruptcy, Takeovers, and Bailouts - Oh My! &#124; [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-160623&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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