Womyn’s Lands face similar economic challenges as Catholic convents
Did anyone catch the article, My Sister’s Keeper in the New York Times on Sunday? Newser gave a good summary that I’ll repeat here:
So-called ‘œwomyn’s lands’ are quietly persisting across North America but face a cultural shift as modern gays embrace mainstream society, the New York Times reports. Founded in the 1970s to give lesbians man-free, safe, non-judgmental communities, the roughly 100 groups have seen membership dwindle and populations age. ‘œIn 20 to 25 years, we could be extinct,’ said one founder.
The communities’ rural locations limit membership, as do strict codes forbidding bisexuals and male children. While debate thrives over such rules, many members say they have suffered too much in the straight world to compromise. ‘œIt was hard enough fighting for the last 30 years,’ a founder said. ‘œNow it’s a family that wants to be here and die here.’
The article focused on a bygone era, a time when these women felt the need to withdraw from heterosexual society. One resident explained:
For Ms. Adams, every choice she makes today ‘” which restaurant to go to, which contractor to hire, which music to listen to ‘” is guided by a preference to be around women.
‘œTo me, this is the real world,’ she said. ‘œAnd it’s a very peaceful world. I don’t hear anything except the leaves falling. I get up in the morning, I go out on my front deck and I dance and I say, ‘˜It’s another glorious day on the mountain.’ Men are violent. The minute a man walks in the dynamics change immediately, so I choose not to be around those dynamics.’
I doubt that most lesbians my age or younger can relate to their experience. Some of my best friends are both gay and straight men. And personally, I’ve never met any women that subscribe to strict lesbian separatism.
Feel free to comment on the article, because after reading it, believe you me, there is plenty to comment on. The main point I wanted to make here at Queercents is that these ‘œbelow-the-radar’ lesbian communities are facing similar economic challenges as Catholic nuns:
The communities, most in rural areas from Oregon to Florida, have as few as two members; Alapine is one of the largest. Many have steadily lost residents over the decades as members have moved on or died. As the impulse to withdraw from heterosexual society has lost its appeal to younger lesbians, womyn’s lands face some of the same challenges as Catholic convents that struggle to attract women to cloistered lives.
Visit Sister Julie’s well-designed blog (who knew nuns had such good design sense!) and you’ll get a quick lesson on nuns and money:
Some have asked me why nuns have to be concerned about finances when ‘œnuns are supported by the Church’. Well, there in lies the problem. Although many parishes and individual Catholics have been very supportive and generous, overall most religious communities do not receive automatic financial support from the Catholic Church. (I think an exception is diocesan congregations ‘” anyone know?) The Church is not responsible for our pensions, retirement, costs of living, bills, etc. It’s up to each congregation to take care of itself and find its own sources of income and financial security. Aside from sisters’ salaries, congregational assets (land and buildings), and investments, we rely on the generosity of our friends and benefactors.
This means new converts need to join in order to take care of the older nuns. Aging lesbian separatists are facing these same challenges. And just as I don’t know any twentysomethings running off to join a convent, I don’t know any young lesbians moving to womyn’s lands. Do you? Should their way of life be preserved or should they be concerned as one resident expressed: ‘œWe are really going to have to work at how we carry this on,’ she added. ‘œIn 20 to 25 years, we could be extinct.’
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I read that article too, and had the same concerns about financial feasibility. It almost sounds like a retirement community, but without the external support. I do wonder how they’ll manage in a few years.
Maybe we should run a fundraising program.
I read it as well and thought well it sounds nice in theory. But at the same time I thought it hurts lesbians as a whole to be separated from mainstream society, not only on a financial level. If the rest of the country thinks lesbians want to be so isolated and prefer not to live as a part of mainstream society in order to stop suffering discrimination, how will the next generation and subsequent generations ever achieve equality, financially and otherwise? Strictly identifying oneself as a lesbian serves no purpose except to exclude ourselves further from integrating into mainstream society, which is exactly the opposite of we need to do if we want equal pay and equal rights. We can’t file taxes together because we can’t get married, we can’t own homes together and have the same financial protections and obligations as our heterosexual peers…the list goes on and on. There is so much more left to fight for, and I feel this article and these women only further alienate us from the rest of society. Supporting a community like this would be a great disservice to women and lesbians trying to get the same rights and protections as everyone else, financial or otherwise.
I want to know how these groups deal with trans women. I’m guessing they’re not allowed.
The men have their own “lands” as its called though I’ve not heard of any that were quite as strict on not allowing females as they are about males..and I think they are suffering the same problems.
I think there will always be a very small group that wishes to stay apart from the “mainstream” whether they are Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered or even Straight and their choice should be supported.
I agree with FrugalZen that the womyn’s choice should be supported even though I find that choice limiting and somewhat sad. It will actually support the goals of the larger community if these communities naturally pass from existence. I don’t believe most of us want to identify as “other” but would rather our sexuality be a nonissue in our busy, happy, integrated lives.
Although I don’t understand the exclusion of the outside world in that manner, I’m glad it makes them happy. That said, if younger lesbians are not attracted to those communities, doesn’t that mean their time has passed? Groups that die from lack of membership are dying because they’re not “needed” anymore… If they were, people would find their way to them.
It’s unfortunate that the last few members may be forced to come closer to a society they want nothing to do with, but if the groups all cease to be because no-one wants to be isolated any more, then they’ve served their purpose.
Wow, this turned into a really interesting discussion! Thanks everyone for sharing their thoughts.
Serena: Apparently, trans women are not allowed:
I can relate to the isolation from mainstream society. The only issue I have is not allowing male children on site. they are children. Children are not blinded by society. Children see people and dont care what their orientation is. That is the only issue I have with it. I dont know of anyone who would leave their children and go live there at the places who have this rule. I know I wouldnt. I am 36 years old. I have 3 children 2 of which are boys. My orientation takes a back burner when it comes to them. I am a mom first…